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A Traditional Catholic Convert Visits a Not-So Traditional Catholic Convent

My wife has a great aunt that was a nun of the order of the Sisters of St. Benedict in St. Joseph, MN. She passed away in 2008, may she rest in peace.

Every year her extended family gets together for a reunion. This year, they decided that they were going to go up to the Monastery to visit the sisters. I took the day off from work to see them as well.

We were warmly greeted when we arrived. There were stories shared and laughs to be had.

After a little while, we ended up going over to their museum and gift shop. We were a big group, so they split us up. I was in the group that went to the gift shop first. This, in hindsight, is probably a good thing.

For being at a Monastery, you would think that the gift shop would have more Catholic items in it. I can honestly say that it was roughly 20% Catholic and 80% odds and ends that you can get at any gift shop. It was rather disappointing. I was looking around and found a couple of heretical items.

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I decided that I would come back and buy my items after the tour.

Instead of going to the museum display that commemorated their 100 years of having their chapel, we ended up going into the back room where they kept all of their old vestments and items that used to be in the chapel.

Angel Vestment

The vestments were some of the most beautiful that I had ever seen. The nuns from the late 1800s-1940s would make the vestments by hand. They would stitch some very intricate and beautiful images onto these vestments. Some of the flowers looked real. They had Angels with detailed toes and fingers. The fingers were maybe a few centimeters long. Very small and intricate.

Angel Vestment Up Close - Copy

The nuns kept referring to all these beautiful vestments as “pieces”, as if they were art.

Another Angel Vestment

I mentioned that we needed more vestments like this as these vestments point back to God in the love that the prior nuns had for making them. Alas, the response I received was along the lines of “oh, no, the vestments of today are far more simpler and easy.” Right, because God calls for us to take the easy and simple path that everyone takes. The Sister who was giving us the tour made a comment about how people ask where the color is in the Chapel these days (they “renovated” it in the 80s). They usually reply back with “in the people”.

Christ the King

Afterwards, we went to the chapel where the nuns would pray the Liturgy of the Hours. We prayed noon prayer in this simple looking auditorium that you would expect to see at a college lecture hall. I don’t recall if there was a crucifix, let alone a cross in the entire room. I counted only 3 of the nuns wearing a habit. Most of the nuns were wearing pant suits with a flowery shirt.

We had lunch. That was good. The lettuce for the salad was from their gardens. This was perhaps one of my favorite things of the entire tour.

After lunch was over, we went up to the chapel. In the 1980s, the order decided they needed to “renovate” the chapel. It used to be very Catholic.

They opened the doors to reveal a magnificently grand and bland chapel. The altar had been moved to the center. No kneelers. Just…plain. There was absolutely no indication that this was a Catholic church. It looked just like the Protestant churches.

The entire time we all were looking around in disappointment, the sisters were just smiling and explaining why they did what they did. My tongue had been getting sore from biting down on it so hard throughout the day. When Sister mentioned that they don’t kneel, but stand reverently, I lost it.

I explained how we are supposed to kneel before God who is truly present. They retorted that kneeling isn’t necessary because in the prayers it says something about “…we stand before you…”. They also used the age-old “Europe doesn’t have kneelers” argument, which is incorrect. Certainly some do, but I explained that the Vatican says that churches are supposed to. “Different books at different times say different things” one replied.

TRIGGER ALERT: HERESY: The same sister also said that the community, along with the priest, bring forth Jesus. I replied that that was absolutely incorrect because without the Priest, we do not have Jesus. Only a Catholic Priest can change bread into the Eucharist. “Well, that’s true, but…” and I honestly don’t recall the rest, I’m fairly certain my Guardian Angel protected me from having an aneurysm.

The main nun pulled me aside after things settled down, and told me to keep up the fire. I’m still not sure what she meant by that. Maybe she agrees with me but is sworn to obedience? I’m uncertain.

Regardless, they kept saying how it was too much beauty for a sacred space, its nice and clean now, but in the same breath would say “Could you imagine how beautiful it was?” I could imagine it much better had you left it alone.

Afterwards we went into the Sacristy, where they make their own bread! Its better because its unleavened (valid consecration stipulates that bread must be made of wheaten flour, mixed with pure natural water, baked in an oven or between two moulds and must not be corrupt). Sister also mentioned that it is made with love! Sarcasm Alert(Not like that hate-filled Eucharist you receive at your local parish!) I question if these nuns believe in the True Presence. If God is Love and the Eucharist is God, isn’t the Eucharist also Love?

Love Bread

We then went to the chapel where the tabernacle is kept (yeah, side chapel) and they have kneelers in there!

Modernist Tabernacle

Also, they felt that the best way to keep the old communion rails was to nail them to the wall.

Communion Rails

We then hung out in the Gathering Space for a bit. They talked about community a bit. I stopped listening. Any Catholic that goes on and on about community being that important has lost all sense of what it means to be Catholic. Community does not come first, but God does.

We went back to the museum and I looked around at what used to be a beautiful Chapel.

Chapel Before Wreckovation Chapel Before

I found this interesting:

Worship Space

Many were upset at seeing this. So much beauty absolutely ransacked. This order neutered Christ and the church that their previous sisters had built out of love for God. To wreckovate a church, let alone a Catholic Church this badly, is not something of God, but of something diabolical. Sacred beauty points back to the Creator. Being physical beings, we need that physical beauty in order to help us understand God better. It isn’t a hindrance, but an enhancement. The churches before the Second Vatican Council reflected our Catholic faith. Even on movies and TV they still use traditional and beautiful churches when they want to show that they are at a Catholic church. Why? Because its part of our identity and who we are.

What the Chapel looks like now.

What the Chapel looks like now.

This picture sums up everything:

Modernist Evolution

If our Sacred Places reflect who we are, what does it say when we leave a blank canvas? It demonstrates that we are not what we are. We are nothing. We are blank. This isn’t a scenario in which “you build what you want to build” or “grow into who you are to be”, but an honest to God reflection of what we are. Blank, sterile, fruitless, void of beauty. It doesn’t bring any hope. It isn’t up to the people to bring forth the color. Having a picture assists those who pray to contemplate and ask the deeper questions about who we are, who is God and why it all matters. Having a blank slate does absolutely nothing.

Um...no.

Um…no.

Look at your wall. Mine is one solid color. Maybe yours is too. How does that bring you closer to God? How are you able to contemplate the deeper questions? You can, to a point, but it is not very deep.

Meanwhile, an icon with multiple images will allow you to contemplate the beauty of our faith and bring you closer to God.

When we sterilize our churches and remove all the smells, bells, whistles, and pictures, we are making them fruitless. Sterilization brings forth no life. In fact, it ends up destroying life as it doesn’t allow any growth to occur. A sterile society can’t bring forth new members to it. Likewise, a sterile church won’t bring forth new members either.

There was also a picture on the wall that mentioned that the wreckovation was in response to the Second Vatican Council. I forgot to ask them where in the documents it is a requirement to destroy churches.

I didn’t purchase anything in the gift shop, as it goes to support these sisters. Sisters who are obedient to disobedience to God. Ironically, I saw this on Facebook an hour or two after we had left.

Taken from Adoremus in Aeternum, a Catholic Tradition's Facebook page.

Taken from Adoremus in Aeternum, a Catholic Tradition’s Facebook page.

I found out that these sisters are actually a part of the LCWR, the same LCWR that was in support of Obamacare and has been in support of abortion, contraception and the like. Sure, there may be some sisters who are not, but you can’t support them.

Meanwhile, here are some Benedictine Sisters you can support. Believe it or not, they actually hand stitch vestments. I find it funny. The order of Benedictines who say that the vestments of today are much easier to make is dying out. Meanwhile, the order of Benedictines who are painstakingly, but lovingly making vestments by hand are thriving.

Beauty and sacredness brings forth reverence and obedience to God. Help parishes and orders that encourage these things.

Jeff July 28, 2014 7 Comments Permalink

What Vatican 2 Actually Said: No Masses Honoring Groups of People

From the document Sacrosanctum Concilium:

32. The liturgy makes distinctions between persons according to their liturgical function and sacred Orders, and there are liturgical laws providing for due honors to be given to civil authorities. Apart from these instances, no special honors are to be paid in the liturgy to any private persons or classes of persons, whether in the ceremonies or by external display.

What does this mean? Simply put, the Mass is not to be used to honor the people, whether as the Mass itself (changing things to allow for this) or by external display (applause, special mentions, etc).

How often do we see the abuse of applause during Mass? Vatican 2 disapproves. How often do we see all kinds of crazy types of Masses? The High School Graduation Mass? The Kindergarten Mass? The (Insert Group of People to Celebrate For No Apparent Reason But To Honor and Celebrate here) Mass?

The “High School Youth Campout” Mass

This is not what the Second Vatican Council called for, and it is clearly written here.

Do not applaud. Do not go to these Masses if you are able to.

We see a lot in the Church today all of these Masses that celebrate somebody. Yet, here we are, the feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, a solemnity with very few actual Mass celebrations. I’ll be honest, I didn’t even know about it until around 10 o’clock when my wife reminded me. We have wonderful celebrations in the Liturgical Calendar to celebrate and have wonderful Masses for them, but we hear nothing about them.

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It has become all about worshiping and honoring the individual, not the Lord. Well, Vatican 2 wants us to worship God in our Masses, not ourselves.

What Vatican 2 Actually Said: Preach the Faith

We’ve all heard many people argue that the Second Vatican Council changed a lot of things. But did it really?

Now before you spam my comment box that it did indeed, I would like to point out that yes, some things did change. That is not the purpose of this series. The purpose of this series is to correct those who constantly insist that “Vatican 2 did away with that”.

I have found that many traditionalists have not read the documents. This is not a statement saying that all traditionalists have not read the documents. Just an opinionated statement in which many have not read them. I for one have not read the documents.

Since many traditionalists haven’t read the documents, we generally have a difficult time refuting some of the claims, having not read the documents or even portions of them. Well, go read them, and start implementing these documents the way they were meant to.

The Sermon on the Mount Carl Bloch, 1890

First and foremost, let’s look at Sacrosanctum Concillium (Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy) on what it has to say on preaching the faith (emphasis mine):

9. The sacred liturgy does not exhaust the entire activity of the Church. Before men can come to the liturgy they must be called to faith and to conversion: “How then are they to call upon him in whom they have not yet believed? But how are they to believe him whom they have not heard? And how are they to hear if no one preaches? And how are men to preach unless they be sent?” (Rom. 10:14-15).

Therefore the Church announces the good tidings of salvation to those who do not believe, so that all men may know the true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent, and may be converted from their ways, doing penance. To believers also the Church must ever preach faith and penance, she must prepare them for the sacraments, teach them to observe all that Christ has commanded, and invite them to all the works of charity, piety, and the apostolate. For all these works make it clear that Christ’s faithful, though not of this world, are to be the light of the world and to glorify the Father before men.

Notice what that says? The Church is to announce the good tidings of salvation that Jesus Christ has given us through His sacrifice. And in announcing that, those who are not Catholic can convert and repent of their past sins by doing penance and joining the Church. Those of us who are Catholic must be preached to about faith and penance as well, as we still must atone for our past transgressions. The Church must prepare us to receive the Sacraments, as well as to teach us ALL THAT CHRIST HAS COMMANDED.

How many times have you been ridiculed for teaching what Jesus taught? I know I have often. You may have even been told that the Second Vatican Council did away with it. Its not important anymore. Well, in case you have noticed, it is still just as important and needed today as it was through out the entirety of the Church. This was most definitely a continuation of what the Church has always taught, what Christ has taught.

But wait, what does this have to do with the Liturgy? Because the Liturgy in which we celebrate the Mass is the foundation of our faith. In knowing the true God and Jesus Christ, we witness Him in the Eucharist, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. We convert away from our old selves, and turn our gaze upon our mighty and ever lasting God.

In the Mass, during the homily, Father teaches us how to live our lives according to that of what God wants. Ultimately, the Liturgy is where we meet Christ, and in Christ, He changes us. When we receive Him in the Eucharist during Communion, we are in Him, and He is in us. It is a perfect communion where Heaven and Earth collide. We are one with Him.

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Professing our faith has every bit to do with the Liturgy, because in our Liturgy, we demonstrate what we believe. Through reverence, we show those that would observe us, that we truly believe that Christ is present in the Eucharist, that God is present in our Churches, and the Holy Ghost is there.

Where the Catholic Church is, there you will find God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, the Holy Ghost, Our Mother Mary and all the angels and saints. Where the Catholic Church is, there is home.

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