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What Do You Believe? Novus Ordo vs. Traditional Latin Mass Catholics

For those of you who frequent my blog, you know that I often compare the differences between the Novus Ordo and the Traditional Latin Mass. You know that I have a strong preference for the Traditional Latin Mass and believe that it is not only better but far superior to the Novus Ordo. But is there any way to show some substantive evidence that the TLM is, in fact, better than the NO? At least, can we demonstrate that those who attend the TLM believe more of what the Church teaches and adhere to her doctrines?

The other day, my mother-in-law told me that she would love to see a statistical comparison between Novus Ordo Catholics and Traditional Catholics to see the differences between what percent of each group actually believes in the Church’s teachings and practices. Ironically enough, I saw that on Facebook somebody shared this information.

Now to be academically and intellectually honest, I’m unsure where the statistics came from for the TLM Catholics polled. However, the sample size is rather large (considering there are statistically far less TLM Catholics than Catholics at large) and so I believe it is at least worth looking at and commenting on. It is also worth mentioning that the “Catholics” category includes all types of Catholics from TLM Catholics to NO Catholics to heretical Catholics.

According to a 2016 Pew Research poll, only 13% of Catholics believe that contraception is not permissible. Of the 841 TLM Catholics who responded, 98% believe that contraception is not permissible.

With the same poll, 53% of Catholics believe abortion is not permissible, compared to 98% of the 833 TLM Catholics who responded.

A 2017 CARA poll shows that 23% of Catholics attend Mass, compared to 99% of 824 TLM Catholics.

The same poll shows that 33% of Catholics believe marriage is between a man and a woman, compared to 99% of 826 TLM Catholics.

A 2013 Catholic Philly poll shows that Catholics only give 1.2% in the collection, as opposed to TLM Catholics who give 6.2%. I take this one with a grain of salt as the Catholic Philly is out of Philadelphia, and this could potentially be an outlier.

A 2015 Pew Research poll shows that only 43% of Catholics go to confession once a year as well as weekly Mass, as opposed to 99% of TLM Catholics (only 81 samples though).

The same poll shows that Catholics have an average of 2.3 children, whereas TLM Catholics have an average of 3.7 children (with 494 responses).

Overall, the numbers are revealing a disturbing trend in that NO Catholics appear not to know their faith and quite possibly, may not believe it too.

And yes, this is just one poll whose origins are unknown to us at this time, but it certainly lends to the idea that traditional Catholicism, or Catholicism as I like to call it, is indeed better for souls than what the majority of prelates are peddling as Catholic. If I can track down where this poll came from, I will certainly let you know.

The very fact that the attitude within the Church is that the people who believe in her teachings are somehow detrimental to those who oppose her teachings is complete nonsense. Solemn non-sense even.

Jeff May 30, 2018 1 Comment Permalink

Novus Ordo Logic: Heaven Is For Everyone

A common trend within Novus Ordoism is the idea that those outside the Church can go to Heaven, while those who adhere to Catholicism as taught for 2,000 years can’t.

We see this attitude most clearly when we look at how Novus Ordoism perceives those who adhere to the SSPX or Sedevacantism.

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Members of the SSPX reject the Second Vatican Council, accept the Pope, accept God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, accept Jesus Christ in the Eucharist and accept Catholicism. They are viewed as divisive and treated as if they were schismatic, which they aren’t. The general attitude is that they are in danger of going to Hell if they do not accept the Second Vatican Council.

Sedevacantists reject the Second Vatican Council, reject the Pope, accept God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, accept Jesus Christ in the Eucharist and accept Catholicism. They too are viewed as divisive and treated as schismatic, simply because they do not follow the Pope.

On the contrary, more tenderness and mercy is expressed the father *away* one walks from Catholicism.

Protestants reject the Second Vatican Council, reject the Pope, accept God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, reject Jesus Christ in the Eucharist and reject Catholicism. They are seen as Heaven bound because of their supposed faith in Jesus Christ, even though this faith rejects the Church He founded.

Jews reject the Second Vatican Council, reject the Pope, accept God the Father, reject the Son and the Holy Ghost, reject Jesus Christ in the Eucharist and reject Catholicism. They are seen as Heaven bound because of their supposed faith in the Father despite Jesus’ warnings that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

Muslims reject everything and have a flawed view of God the Father, yet they are seen as Heaven bound because of this misunderstood understanding of who God the Father is and their faith in this view, no matter how flawed it is.

And the farther away someone walks from Catholicism, the more excuses Novus Ordoism makes for why it is okay.

In Novus Ordoism, when it comes to Catholics who truly believe in the Catholic faith and are willing to stand by it, they are treated as the oddballs, especially by their brothers and sisters in the faith. Meanwhile, those who have chosen not to be part of the Catholic Church receive love and consolation for their choice. It’s as if Novus Ordoism is proud to be Catholic, but not too Catholic, lest they are viewed as weird.

Sedevacantists *need* to rejoin the Catholic Church to achieve salvation. However, they are more Catholic and closer to the Truth than any other person who is *outside* the Church.

This attitude that those who adhere to the rules of the Church and Jesus are somehow “bad Catholics” needs to stop from all Catholics, including the insults perpetrated by Pope Francis.

There is but one way to salvation, and that is through Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one gets to the Father but through Him.

Novus Ordo Logic: The Latin Mass is Eh, the Novus Ordo is Great!

In this first of a new series, I’d like to explore a particular phenomenon that you may witness in many Catholic parishes these days which I’d like to dub “Novus Ordo Logic.”

Novus Ordo Logic is how modern Catholics apply illogical conclusions to post-conciliar and pre-conciliar Catholicism or the excuses they make for the inconsistencies between the two.

Tridentine Mass

One common difference comes when comparing those who prefer the Traditional Latin Mass to the Novus Ordo Mass. Whenever a Catholic who prefers the Novus Ordo talks about how they don’t like the Traditional Latin Mass and try to avoid it at all costs, they receive words of consolation confirming them that they are okay for having this opinion.

In contrast, whenever a Catholic who prefers only the Traditional Latin Mass expresses his preference and unwillingness to go to the Novus Ordo, they are reproached for being “schismatic,” “holier than thou,” “pharisaical,” or some other offense from the litany of insults.

Novus Ordo Vs Traditional Latin Mass

It is interesting to see the complete difference in attitudes. Both the Novus Ordo preferring Catholic and the Latin Mass preferring Catholic have the same stance, yet one is received with generosity and love, the other with hostility and hate. Even more intriguing, the one who prefers the Mass which many of our Catholic Saints had celebrated during their time here on Earth and is about 17 centuries old, is the one who receives attacks.

Novus Ordo Catholicism doesn’t like traditional Catholicism, as Novus Ordoism perceives tradition as old, stale, difficult, and the Truth. The anger, hatred, and eagerness to discredit the Traditional Latin Mass and those who attend it is a concerning trend within the Church today. According to Novus Ordo Logic, you can dislike the TLM and discuss how great the NO is, but when you dislike the NO and discuss how great the TLM is, you are treated worse than an actual enemy of the Church.

Jeff May 9, 2017 1 Comment Permalink

A Convert’s Perspective Going From the Novus Ordo to the Traditional Latin Mass

Many Catholics are afraid to venture into the mysteries of the Traditional Latin Mass. One of the many reasons I have heard is that they are unfamiliar with what is going on. As a convert, I can understand where they are coming from.

Traditional High Altar

There was a time where I had no clue what was going on with the Novus Ordo. I had no clue what anybody was doing, or why they were doing it. I was lost. I didn’t have the benefits of being a cradle Catholic and knowing what everyone was up to (albeit, maybe not understanding). But, this didn’t stop me.

I continued to go to Mass week after week, and I learned what we were doing. Eventually, I picked up a missal so that way I could follow along. As time progressed, I even began learning about the theology behind the Mass as to why we did what we did. It took some time, but eventually I got there.

Now that I have made the jump into the Traditional Latin Mass, even though it is not as often as I’d like, I can attest that the situation is very similar. I am now going to a Mass that is “unfamiliar” and “foreign.” I’m having to learn again what the congregation is doing. I’m back to following along in a missal. I have to learn the theology behind the Mass, again.

Having reflected upon these similarities, it raises questions.

When someone comes into the Church, the Church doesn’t make excuses or compromises about why the convert can not come to the Mass. Instead, we teach them what the Mass is and isn’t and how to follow along. We do this because Catholicism is the Truth and you do not compromise the Truth.

When it comes to the Mass of All Ages, we are far too comfortable making the same excuses that a convert might make and these are all accepted as stumbling blocks. Somehow, these reasons are severe enough that we can’t have the Traditional Latin Mass. It’s too hard, and people might leave.

The Traditional Latin Mass has been the Mass which has been in effect for centuries; it is as Catholic as you can get when it comes to the Mass. It is worth every effort to restore into every single Catholic Church in the world.

The Truth is something worth fighting and sacrificing for, even if it hurts. I think it is time we stop making excuses for why we can’t make the transitions and start making reasons for why we can.

Jeff December 5, 2016 2 Comments Permalink

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